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quiarrah · Aug 15, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

I have heard that the level cap in GW is 20. . .a far cry coming from EQ where the level cap is (now) 70!

What is there to do after you have reached level 20 and done all the quests (for the story)?? Could someone fill me in please?

I know this is not Everquest . . .but at least there you still have stuff to do. . the occasional Named Dragon that you need a whole guild with you to kill and you still die. . .crafting furniture, food, weapons, armor . . you can even become a merchant and try your hand at making millions of plat, HA HA HA . . . .you can even furnish your 5 room house!

But what kind of life is there after 20? (and I'm not talking Age, lol)

unholy guardian · Aug 15, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Well you could fight for the kurzicks in alliance battles lol, or luxons *cough evil luxons* Er yeah, pvp is quite fun, a lot of forms in factions even appeal to me, a pve player at heart. You should try it, just try to get mad if you seem to get owned are first.

Or you could farm for money to buy ale, getting drunk is fun

ChildeOfMalkav · Aug 15, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Im going to say right now that this isnt the game for you if youre already asking what there is to do after 20. If you dont PVP there really isnt much to satisfy you, judging by your liking towards crafting, level grinding and uber boss hunting.

Mustache Mayhem · Aug 15, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

solo farm areas people think is impossible- always a good challenge.. make lots of money and blow it on eye candy and different sets of armor for your builds.. you can do all the quests and get every skill- elite and nonelite for your character- there's titles to go after and if you like grind- rank emote.. if you want some competitive pvp there's gvg.. let's see there's trading if you like spotting the ebay monkey and taking all his money.. faction grind

lagrand1 · Aug 15, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

He comes from EQ, and asking about after 20 is reasonable. The whole point of Guild Wars, is having a level playing field. There are high end player vs environment (pvp) areas where you go in with a group, and if you don't know what you're doing, you'll be erradicated. The big thing with GW is player vs player (pvp). After you finish the game with several characters. Learning different ways to play, you test your skills against other players. A lot of people feel that is where the game really begins.

Tarun · Aug 15, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by quiarrah

What is there to do after you have reached level 20 and done all the quests (for the story)?? Could someone fill me in please?

Absolutely nothing. Well, maybe uninstalling. People have tried to get the level cap raised only to have those who do not comprehend the benefits of a raised cap crying about it. (They're too lazy and want instant gratification)

Some say PvP, but the game doesn't even have good/real PvP.

lacasner · Aug 15, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Ya, im guessing what people really want is a World of Waraft Pve with a Guild Wars pvp..and with the Guild Wars no monthly fees.I may be wrong, but if they do that Guild Wars=all WoW players come here, 6 million members..Big money for Anet, good customer satisfaction...And most importantly no boredom.

Xenrath · Aug 15, 2006, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Trouble is it's not meant to be a long lasting PvE experience like some pay monthly mmorpgs (from what I've heard, not personally tried them so not certain on that)

It's on a 6 monthly release cycle per game/expansion/chapter/standalone/basketofapples... and each one only has so much finite PvE content. After that it just turns into Guild Farms, assuming you don't like PvP.

I'm not sure raising level cap would achieve anything UNLESS Anet adds in a LOT of new mobs and monsters of various different levels in between. Somehow I doubt they will do that going on past form, and would probably just add a few more but just adjust levels so the relative effect is the same as if they were levels 20something.

quiarrah · Aug 15, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by ChildeOfMalkav

Im going to say right now that this isnt the game for you if youre already asking what there is to do after 20. If you dont PVP there really isnt much to satisfy you, judging by your liking towards crafting, level grinding and uber boss hunting.

Uh. .Excuse me. ..my highest level character in EQ is a 42 level Troubadour (or BARD). . .hardly level GRINDING since half the people in my guild are too high for me to get experience with and they would have to mentor down.
You are right by the way that I like the crafting side. . .I have a 27 level Carpentar also that makes furniture. . .although I have a long way to go there too as there are woods to harvest that I cant even enter the zones yet without dieing!

Sorry, but I never much liked PvP even in EQ which also has it. . .so dont tell me about that.

I was just wondering what the point was after 20, , ,if it's nothing, then it is pretty much like OBLIVION where once you close all the gates. . .ther's nothing left but retirement.

*and by the way. . the person who said "HE" . . .I am a SHE*

Xenrath · Aug 15, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Just ignore the flamebaiters, they're just looking for excuses to flame a bit. Anyway perhaps this will help answer: the game is made around level 20, especially Factions as you get turbo boosted to level 20 very early on. Future chapters are going to be the same because older characters can be carried over, hence content will revolve around level 20.

The basic idea is: levels don't (supposedly) matter, what matters are the skills you obtain and how you use them. Hope that helps clarify a bit. Therefore if they kept that philosophy and made level 100 the cap, all that would happen is every other monster would just be scaled up as well so the end result is the same. In that sense, once you've done the storyline and side quests, it's done. You then have to find your own methods to entertain yourself, be it farming, helping out guildies, or whatever else you can think of.

Edit: level 20 is not the uberlevel. You still have to contend with many monsters and groups who are more powerful than you (hence groups needed for missions etc, though some parts you can solo)

silv3rr · Aug 15, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Hate to say this but GW isn't the game for you.

You made a mistake with buying the game. You shoulda did some homework on GW before you bought it

quiarrah · Aug 15, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

Just ignore the flamebaiters, they're just looking for excuses to flame a bit. Anyway perhaps this will help answer: the game is made around level 20, especially Factions as you get turbo boosted to level 20 very early on. Future chapters are going to be the same because older characters can be carried over, hence content will revolve around level 20.

The basic idea is: levels don't (supposedly) matter, what matters are the skills you obtain and how you use them. Hope that helps clarify a bit. Therefore if they kept that philosophy and made level 100 the cap, all that would happen is every other monster would just be scaled up as well so the end result is the same. In that sense, once you've done the storyline and side quests, it's done. You then have to find your own methods to entertain yourself, be it farming, helping out guildies, or whatever else you can think of.

Thank you. . .alot better said . . .and just fyi for the flamebaiters. . .I STILL play EQ. It is not as though I have left it. What got me hooked on GW were 2 things. . .the CLOTHES. . and the dancing! (the dances in EQ are sorry excuses for even jumping around and looking like a fool!)

bart · Aug 16, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Guild wars = PvP

PvE in GW is geared towards PvP. lvl 20 is so that everybody is equal. u won't find any crafting in GW. The only crafting u might do is to craft weapons/armor and that is pretty easy as the materials are easily obtainable. from my experience, u won't be playing too long if u're not into PvP. If u like lvling, crafting and so on GW might not be the game for u. Still its game without monthly fees* so its nice to go on every now and then for a change of scenary.

* New chapters come out every 6 months so you will need to buy them if u want to keep up with the latest trend.

EternalTempest · Aug 16, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

The game has aspects of magic the gathering with the way you have your attributes and which 8 skills you take with you determines if you can meet the challenges.

Lvl 20 is the cap to put everyone on the same level so skill outshine(s) "grind". Not only that skills are not better or weaker based on your level, they do one thing and how powerful is based on the attribute you have set for that "line" of skills.

The challanges are pvp other people who have the same limitations as you do but how you play w/ what skills and pve is targeting mobs that are HIGHER lvl then you so you have to think (not just put more time to be "higher" level).

dndhatcher · Aug 16, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

What are you people talking about? The game starts at level 20. Getting up to level 20 is like a one or 2 day project. Its after you are level 20 you can go to the fun areas and do the fun things. You can change your secondary profession and experiment with all sorts of different skill combos.

Also if you are Factions only, try getting Prophecies. Prophecies has at least twice the explorable area that factions has.

Places to Go:
(Prophecies)
Titan Quests
Sorrows Furnace
Tomb of Primeval Kings
Underworld
Fissure of Woe

(Factions)
Underworld
Fissure of Woe
The Deep
Urgroz's Warren

Things to do:
Farm Green or rare Gold Items (many are in areas you never get to following the mission path.)
Get 15K or Fissure Armor
Get Protector titles (Master or Bonus all missions)
Get Explorer titles (Explore every part of the world)
Get other titles (for IDing golds, opening chests, capping Elite skills)

Oh yeah - and help other people get through missions/quests and into these areas.

quiarrah · Aug 16, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by dndhatcher

What are you people talking about? The game starts at level 20. Getting up to level 20 is like a one or 2 day project. Its after you are level 20 you can go to the fun areas and do the fun things. You can change your secondary profession and experiment with all sorts of different skill combos.

Also if you are Factions only, try getting Prophecies. Prophecies has at least twice the explorable area that factions has.

Places to Go:
(Prophecies)
Titan Quests
Sorrows Furnace
Tomb of Primeval Kings
Underworld
Fissure of Woe

(Factions)
Underworld
Fissure of Woe
The Deep
Urgroz's Warren

Things to do:
Farm Green or rare Gold Items (many are in areas you never get to following the mission path.)
Get 15K or Fissure Armor
Get Protector titles (Master or Bonus all missions)
Get Explorer titles (Explore every part of the world)
Get other titles (for IDing golds, opening chests, capping Elite skills)

Oh yeah - and help other people get through missions/quests and into these areas.

I did not start at level 20. . .and I am not level 20 atm. I have had Factions for about a week. Your statement may be true if you play for 2 days straight. . .but I also have a FAMILY and a HOUSE to run and a CHILD to get to bed early for school. Sorry, but your 2 day thing on getting to 20 doesn't fly with me!
I have seen the 15K stuff and it is definately awesome and I may shoot for that. . . as the clothes/armor look A WHOLE LOT bettter here than they do in EQ. Like I said. . .with all you telling me this is not the game for me. . .I beg to differ. . . If I want to see my ladies in awesome outfits. . .I will play GW. . .if I wish to adventure for experience and have a house to live in and craft. . .I will play EQ. . .MY eq will be around FOREVER. . . (I also plan on getting Nightfall and maybe Prophetsies. . .I also plan on getting the EQ Expansion coming out when Nightfall comes out too so you know where my loyalities lie.)

Divinus Stella · Aug 16, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I'l narrow it down.

Either keep to pve and farm/trade lots of cash and spend it on weapons and armor
Or move into pvp.

Doing both keeps most people playing, but theres other minor things like grinding titles and clearing the high end areas like FoW and UW but most people stick to the first 2.

lacasner · Aug 16, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Also, you must be a casual gamer.

quiarrah · Aug 16, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Also, you must be a casual gamer.

What is casual? I have been playing Everquest since EQ 1 and moved on to EQ 2 when it came out. . I am an officer in my Guild which has lasted through EQ 1 and 2 and is almost 50 level. . . .

I started out playing D&D inthe dark ages. . . CASUAL? I don't THINK so.

ChildeOfMalkav · Aug 16, 2006, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by quiarrah

What is casual? I have been playing Everquest since EQ 1 and moved on to EQ 2 when it came out. . I am an officer in my Guild which has lasted through EQ 1 and 2 and is almost 50 level. . . .

I started out playing D&D inthe dark ages. . . CASUAL? I don't THINK so.

I think he means that you have to be more of a casual player to enjoy the game. Although that's not entirely true, the game IS casual gamer friendly unlike other MMOs.